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Setting the Tone: What Makes a Space Feel Good? – CBJ Podcast with Jesse Safford

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Graphic by Climbing Business Journal; all photos are courtesy of Jesse Safford

Jesse Safford (they/them) started climbing during college in Montana, but it wasn’t until they moved to Grand Rapids, Michigan, that they stumbled upon setting. Now Jesse is the Head Setter at Terra Firma. Jesse is also an avid comp setter, chiefing and setting their annual in-house Rabble Rouser competition at Terra Firma, and has set for Death Moth, Siege the Southeast and Flight of the Phoenix, among many others. Most recently, they’re extremely excited about the upcoming Midwest Mayhem series. Outside of climbing, Jesse is a birdwatcher, Dungeons and Dragons player, and cat parent. What does D&D have to do with working on a routesetting team? How can we all play a role in improving our team dynamics? Jesse and Holly dive into those topics and much more on today’s episode.

General Topics Covered

  • What does it mean to have “good vibes” on a routesetting team?
  • How social pressure influences us in routesetting and tips for Head Setters/Event Chiefs to soften the atmosphere
  • Emotional awareness and situational awareness of team dynamics
  • What Dungeons and Dragons can teach us about team vibes
  • Checking in on yourself and verbalizing your own needs to the team
  • Role modeling vulnerability
  • How Jesse and our host, Holly, met / Jesse’s perfect D&D campaign

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Show Notes

Closing Notes

If you’d like to nominate someone as a next guest, have a topic you want to see us tackle or have questions, we’d love for you to reach out.

The Impact Driver podcast is a production of the Climbing Business Journal. Today’s episode is sponsored by Approach and Trango. It was edited and produced by Holly Yu Tung Chen, Scott Rennak and the team at CBJ. Our theme music is by Devin Dabney.

Jesse Safford at Death Moth comp
Photo by James Woolridge
Jesse smiling at a comp
Photo by Terra Firma/Nate Firestorm Foster
Jesse drilling a hold
Photo by Terra Firma/Nate Firestorm Foster
Jesse routesetting with another crew member
Photo by Terra Firma/Nate Firestorm Foster

Jesse having fun in the gym with friends

Jesse presenting at the 2025 CWA Summit

Another photo of Jesse at Death Moth comp
Photo by James Woolridge
Jesse on a ladder setting a volume
Photo by Terra Firma/Nate Firestorm Foster

Holly Yu Tung Chen

Holly grew up in Taiwan and Hong Kong. Now she lives in Denver where she reports, writes and routesets. Beyond the Climbing Business Journal, her writing has been published by Alpinist Magazine, Climbing Magazine, Gym Climber and Sharp End Publishing. Holly's motto has always been: "keep it interesting." Read our interview with Holly: Storytelling Through Movement