This week on the CBJ Podcast, Scott Rennak sits down with Mike Palmer and Mitch Eadens, co-owners of The Knot gym and Cascade Specialty flooring, to talk all about the grind and unexpected twists that can accompany entrepreneurship in the climbing industry.
Before they were gym owners, Mike Palmer was a self-described “climbing hobo” living out of his truck and running early internet-marketing side hustles, and Mitch Eadens was running Palomino Pool Hall and The Backyard, two Gainesville, Florida institutions he built from a pool hall’s leftover tables at age 21. Fifteen years after climbing together in college, the two reconnected to take on the shuttered, structurally condemned Gainesville Rock Gym—a building with a mysterious foundation failure (rumored to be a sinkhole; actually decades of decaying organic fill from an old town dump).
What followed was a five-and-a-half-year odyssey: chemical grouting and demolition, a loan that fell apart over an unrelated IRS document, a pandemic-timed construction start and, finally, an opening day. In their conversation, Mike and Mitch walk through what that process had actually cost—in time, money and lessons learned—and how it shaped The Knot’s approach to community, staff pay and the member experience. They also cover how that same hard-fought experience led them into a new venture, acquiring Cascade Specialty, where they now consult climbing gym owners around the country through the kinds of problems they once faced.
General Topics Covered
- Reviving a Gainesville climbing gym
- The real cause behind the gym’s closure
- A five-year fight through SBA financing hurdles
- Opening a climbing gym in the middle of COVID
- Why real estate is so vital to gym ownership
- From pool hall owner to climbing gym owner
- Mike’s digital nomad years and early internet marketing
- Founding Go Downtown, a local business association
- Stepping into leading a gym flooring company
- Bringing a climber’s mindset to running a business
Show Notes
- The Knot Climbing Gym: climbtheknot.com
- Cascade Specialty: www.cascadespecialty.com
- Go Downtown: www.godowntowngnv.com
- The Backyard: thebackyardgnv.com
- Palomino Pool Hall: www.palominopoolhall.com
Thank you Climbing Wall Association, Cascade Specialty, Walltopia, Approach and Essential for your support!
And thank you Devin Dabney for your music!













